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11/5/2008 2:52:14 PM
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More settings on hard coded pages

Well, I posted in the developers forum a question, but no response over there :)

So my question is, will it be possible in the future to customise hard coded pages like blogentry page, forum page, ...
By customising I mean putting modules on the page/entry but also meta tags, ...

Now every blog entry has the same meta tags as the site itself, which I think is very wrongfor SEO!
The same thing with the forum. The forum page has it's own meta tags. And these tags are also used on the overview page and every forum entry.

I would like to help in the coding to get this thing working. Specially for the blog module.

So I hope I can help.

 

11/5/2008 3:44:54 PM
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Hi,

I plan to implement a better solution for meta data very soon as I need this also. I want to be able to put product key words in the meta for the WebStore feature product pages. I think we do need better access to it from feature instances. However, my understanding is that the importance of meta data (in terms of SEO) has diminshed substantially because it is so abused in general and search engines now don't give it much weight compared to the actual content.

I appreciate your offer to help and wish I were in a better postion to accept your help but I find it dificult to find the time to coordinate the efforts of others. Its much easier to coordinate others who may build some self contained external feature but things in the core, its faster for me to do it myself than to get others involved as the communication process just slows things down. I hope one day if my business gets to a profitable stage I will be in a better position to spend my time coordinating the efforts of the community, but for now I'm drinking from the firehose.

Best,

Joe

11/6/2008 11:58:40 AM
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Joe,

I totally understand your situation. I can only offer my help :).

About SEO, that is true for a part. I do not believe in keywords, but I do believe in the description.
That is still something that is important for search engine.

Ever used webmaster tools from google?
There is now a feature that shows the different pages with the same description and the same title.
They don't talk about keywords. So...

Stef

11/6/2008 12:49:33 PM
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Hi Stef,

I use Webmaster tools but didn't realize they added that, thats very useful.

I will definitely implement support for easily adding both keywords and descriptions, hopefully within the next 30 days.

Best,

Joe

11/7/2008 1:07:54 AM
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Joe,

that would be great. Thanks a lot.

Stef

11/24/2008 6:10:55 AM
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Hey Joe,

I hope I'm not pushing you with this by asking, but I wonder if you didn't forgot this and when you had in mind of doing this?
Cause I'm checking google now with my new site, and I see now that also the register page, login page, ... have the standard description.
So there are a lot of pages that are all the same when you look at the meta description.
If you need more information, or if I have to check things for this, please do not hesitate to ask me.

Stef
 

11/24/2008 6:18:56 AM
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I have not forgotten it, its on my roadmap, but its not done yet. You could remove the default meta description from site settings, as this is whats used on pages like login or register. To me login and register should have the main site description and keywords. What do you think should be on those pages for meta? and why?

Best,

Joe

11/24/2008 6:41:09 AM
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Indeed you are speaking of the roadmap, and I see you want splitting the meta tags, but will it be possible to handle these pages like cms pages?
Or did I miss something in your roadmap?

Cause I think that if you make it possible that those pages (register, blog items, ... ) are handles like all others, that the meta tag situation will also be solved.

And a meta description will be usefull if I can customise those pages.

Stef

ps: looking forward to the 2.2.7.9 version

 


 

11/24/2008 6:51:37 AM
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I've thought through features like the blog and making it possible to add keywords and description from within different features. I have a plan for that.

Pages like Register and Login are a different animal. I could add site settings for those, but I'm interested to know what is considered best practice for those pages in terms of giving them key words or description. They are not content pages, so it seems to me this should be minimal data there just indicating the main keywords and description for the site (as it does now) or even less info,  maybe just something indicating the site name and the purpose of the page.

Before I put my time into making those pages customizable I want to hear the business rationale of why that should be customizable and an example story of how you would use it and why.

Best,

Joe

11/24/2008 7:11:01 AM
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I could live with the idea register and login just have the minimum. But I guess, when I find the time, I would make a module of each of these things, like a register module, login module, so I can use them on pages where I have full control.

The login module is the first thing I will try, since this was the purpose in my site layout. And for the moment, I'm working on a big web application (here in belgium ;)), and we use a custom login screen, but use also the login page when people came on a page when they are no longer logged in.

Perhaps I'm the only one who sees the advantage of this, and if that is true, than just focus on the meta tags. I will take a look to make those modules and put them online or send them to you if you want to have them in the cms.

Stef

11/24/2008 7:13:04 AM
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Perhaps I'm the only one who sees the advantage of this

all I'm asking you to do is explain it, whats the benefit? make me see it too.

Best,

Joe

11/24/2008 7:25:00 AM
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It's just to have control of as much as possible .

I found it strange that, when you setup your site, with a lot of modules available, suddenly you come on a page, which you can't control: no skinning, no meta tags, no adding of modules, ... .

I can do it differently: making a module instance (so I can change it via the cms), add it on the page itselfs, hardcoded (and keeping a txt file with all changes for an update). Or I can make a default layout.master, but than all pages which aren't custable, have the same text/ads/statistics, ...

Perhaps you can make a poll over this topic to see if i'm the only one .

Stef

11/24/2008 7:36:22 AM
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For best security its better not to have much on the login or register page. Those pages should be separate from content and should use SSL if possible. In my opinion these are best practices.

So for example if it were possible for users to put content on those pages they could put images with src=http://someimage.png and now the user trying to login or register gets a browser warning about the page has some insecure items because the page enforces ssl but there is content that is not using ssl.

In my opinion its best to keep the login page and the register page focused on their purpose.

If you want to make a custom registration module or login module that can be put on pages you can do that, but it then it becomes difficult to ensure the data is submitted using SSL. One solution that comes to mind is maybe making a Silverlight login control, because inside the silverlight control you are independent of the main page form and can easily force an ssl submission even if the container page is not under ssl. I'm going to be experimenting with Silverlight myself and may implement this. So then if customers want their login page all decorated they can just put the silverlight login module on a content page.

Best,

Joe

11/24/2008 7:54:15 AM
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Hmm, good point. Never thought about it, since I don't use SSL.

I guess I will make my own modules and put them on custable pages, so I got what I want.
Changing something this important, isn't good for the project.

I still hope this will be possible for the blog item pages and the forum categories.

Thanks to explain this to me.

See now that the new version is online. Just put all files on the correct places and run /setup/default.aspx?

Stef

12/11/2008 6:18:35 AM
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FYI, I've completed the work to have meta description and keywords in the blog. Its in svn trunk now so it will be in the next release.

I also added the ability to create an html Excerpt in the blog. If you enable Excerpts and you don't specify the Excerpt, it will autogenerate a plain text one as it did before, but if you edit the Excerpt in the editor, then it will use whatever you put there,it won't truncate it to the excerpt length setting.

Best,

Joe

12/12/2008 3:58:23 AM
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Joe.
I'll see if I can make a build after updating the code.

Or what is the best way to get this asap online?

Thanks Joe

Stef

 

12/12/2008 5:54:31 AM
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I will be making a new release soon. If you can't wait for me, then the steps I follow to produce the releases is here, nothing stops developers from making their own releases. I make releases to update mojoportal.com more frequently than I make official releases, so I can make sure there aren't any major problems in official releases. This site is currently running a build from yesterday.

Best,

Joe

12/12/2008 6:52:40 AM
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OK Joe, I'll check it of wait :)

Stef

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